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Re: 9/11 Truthers Are Not Holocaust Deniers

Martin Timothy — Thu, 20 Nov 2008 02:35:59 -0000

Greetings Rochester ...I neither deny the Holocaust, nor accept the official line

There was no Anne Frank, and if there was the Zionists who took the rest of the non Z Jews out would have gassed her too.

This is Holocaust truth, the Pharisees caused their own people to be gassed in the millions during WW2, the gassings were selective, only some Jews were gassed, witness Moshe Dyan Kaplan’s testimony, re his Amsterdam family emerging unscathed, his claim to be a Pharisee, and his contempt for those Jews who were gassed.

Katherine Schweitzer was a Hungarian Jew, the only member of her family to survive the Holocaust, last seen alive in Sydney Australia 22 December, 2006, she had gone public in the nineties, on the television show Australian 60 Minutes, saying the Jew who arrested her and her family in 1944, had taken up residence on the same street in Sydney.

On 30 November 2006. I had put her account of her arrest and internment in Auschwitz, onto the net, December 28 2006, her body was found in a wheelie bin inside her high security apartment.

Maybe she was murdered by Jew elements, in reprisal for telling the truth, to warn any other Jews who want the truth to come out, just what the consequences will be, Fritz-Harry Cremer could be Mossad, and maybe he talked his way into her apartment and murdered her.

Kaplan was a pilot, who served in the RAAF in WW2, who knew Bomber Harris, the British commander of the air raid on Dresden in 1945, and had flown on that mission, after the war, he flew Lockheed Electras for KLM in Holland, and for Lufthansa. He was the son of a well established Jewish family with antecedents in Johannesburg South Africa, in Amsterdam, and in Western Australia, later he was a pilot in New Guinea and dabbled in pawnbroking.

He was the image of the actor who played Emmanuel Goldstein, in Michael Radford’s 1984 movie 1984, starring John Hurt and Richard Burton, when I confronted him with that, and asked him how Radford had obtained the footage, and under what circumstances it had been shot, he was unforthcoming and seemed amused!!

He told me that after the war, he returned to Amsterdam and took up where he had left off, my response was that it must have been heart rending, to go back to Europe, which must have been empty rooms and deserted halls, since Hitler’s men had their way, he said no… that it was good, I said sure, but what about all his friends and rellies… he said they were fine.

I said that they could not have been fine, since Hitler had the whole lot of them rounded up, and sent to Auschwitz… Indeed The Diary of Anne Frank, a tale of oppression of Jews by the Nazis, was set in Amsterdam, and Stanley Kramer’s great movie Ship of Fools, based on the true story of Jews fleeing the Nazi’s, had its culmination in that city where the ship finally docked, after being turned away from Havana Cuba, and from New York. The passengers themselves, speedily transported to Auschwitz, gas and death.

Moshe nodded sagely, he said that my understanding of the Jews was not all that it might be, he told me that he was indeed a Pharisee, and that the Jews of Amsterdam, as depicted for instance in The Diary of Anne Frank, were although Jews, not in the same category as him. They were he told me, called Cheesies, since their diet consisted largely of that product, and yes they were missing from the community, and that was because they had indeed been gassed at Auschwitz, he gave me to understand that as far as he was concerned, they were neither missed nor mourned.

Look then at the Holocaust as being a collaboration of high ranking Pharisee Jews, who provided the finance, the uniforms and the marching songs, and the Nazis, who would do the dirty work, to reduce the number of those Jews who might, if they had the numbers, declare the day of the Pharisee at an end. And to clean up any racial minority, or dissident group who were perceived as a threat, or were seen as capable of being a threat, some time in the future.

Thus the trade unionists, commos, pamphleteers, whacko’s, crazies, and the lunatic fringe, were all bundled in with the Cheesies, Gypsies, Russians and Poles, and in Hitler’s words exterminated. After each phase of dirty work proceeded, in a master plan devised by the Pharisees, the thugs that had carried the dirty deeds were themselves murdered. Ernst Rohm, murdered with numerous of his thug mates, in the Night of the Long Knives massacre in June 1934, he was leader of the thug SA movement, the bully boys who did the hands on jobs of thuggery, the scabs of their day.

Witness the 1929 murder, of numerous members of the Gasfitters Union in Germany, deeds that were done to empower the Nazis, after they had emerged as a political force with Hitler at their helm in the late 1920’s, murdering, bashing, extorting, and thugging their way along, until they were the dominant political force, gaining absolute power in 1933

The relationship with Moshe Kaplan had run its course by the mid 1980’s… It was in many ways similar to the relationship between Rod Steiger in the title role, and Jaime Sanchez as Jesus Ortega, in Sydney Lumet’s great 1964 film The Pawnbroker, thus does life imitate art. He visited me in hospital, after antisocial scab elements had driven a dockyard crane at me, while I was union delegate at Cairncross Dock in 1984, severing four toes on my right foot, and was kind toward my sister and her infant child in 1985.

I left that address in ’86, in subsequent enquiries those that knew him were uncertain, and given his at least moderately advanced years, one supposed the worst. Until the television news one evening in 1993, had a report from Israel, of a violation by Israel, of deal extensively negotiated by Scandinavian peacemakers, that was to guarantee the at least limited withdrawal of Israeli forces from the city of Hebron.

Moshe Dyan Kaplan, was visible in a group of similarly attired Jews, who were to their credit, witnesses of Israeli treachery.

Update: Were not some of the Nazi's most feared terrorists and most dreaded henchmen, similarly recruited in the prison system, nor are the parallels to the German Nazi occupations across Europe, confined to Iraq and Afghanistan where they are most visible.

The false flag 911 attacks similarly had their counterpart re the Reichstag fire, while across the border in Russia Jews had been carrying out exterminations, arrests and maintaining FEMA camp style Gulag systems on behalf of the NKVD, then Uncle Joe Stalin and the Communist party, and Cheka and Trotsky, then Lenin before them, it was they who had arrested then murdered the communist party since 1917, all the while posing as super patriots and super communists. Read Sever Plocker @ Ynet News.com.

See Chertoff who is already compromised for his role in releasing the celebrating Israelis taken into custody on 911, as many as one hundred as it now seems, in the same role, pulling the strings re arrests and detention and murder right across America on behalf of Homeland Security, Deborah Jean Palfrey and Riad Hamad, no less than the bombing victims on both sides in Iraq and Afghan, and the 911 victims.

And the victims in Russia, and in Germany and across Europe, of false flag terrorism carried out by criminals recruited in the prison system, on behalf of the same Zionist Israeli interests who have now taken America hostage.

Re: 9/11 Truthers Are Not Holocaust Deniers

pauldenby73 — Mon, 17 Nov 2008 14:57:35 -0000

That argument proves nothing. Certainly Hitler took advantage of his dumb luck. But remember that there was still enough law & order left in Germany to allow Markov to present a defense and not be found guilty.

If you wish to argue that Bush took advantage of 911 just like Hitler took advantage of the Reichstag fire, then fine. I'd have a few issues with that, but that's a much better argument than the crap that Alex Jones spews and you parrot.

Re: 9/11 Truthers Are Not Holocaust Deniers

riseuprochester — Mon, 17 Nov 2008 13:44:09 -0000

So if some mental patient did it then why would Hindenburg issue a decree the next day: “for the Protection of the people and the State,” which stated: “Restrictions on personal liberty, on the right of free expression of opinion, including freedom of the press; on the rights of assembly and association; and violations of the privacy of postal, telegraphic and telephonic communications and warrants for house searches, orders for confiscations as well as restrictions on property, are also permissible beyond the legal limits otherwise prescribed.” ?

Why would you have to limit liberty, assembly and speech if it was some mentally ill person acting alone?

Re: 9/11 Truthers Are Not Holocaust Deniers

sean — Mon, 17 Nov 2008 13:44:07 -0000

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2004/sep/25/usa...

Re: 9/11 Truthers Are Not Holocaust Deniers

sean — Mon, 17 Nov 2008 13:24:49 -0000

Obviously you do not look at Library of Congress documents and parallels to Oil and evil

Re: 9/11 Truthers Are Not Holocaust Deniers

Sean Liebel — Sun, 16 Nov 2008 14:58:50 -0000

Proof that the WTC 7 banner is correct:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oTf91pusNXc

Re: 9/11 Truthers Are Not Holocaust Deniers

Sean Liebel — Sun, 16 Nov 2008 14:54:56 -0000

I love how people like you think that no "tyrants" can control America! Like as if history defies that! Look at the facts, news articles from the past and you will see the criminality of the Bushes man. You will see the stark comparisons between Hitler's Reichstag and 9/11. Also the Bush's funding of the Nazi regime along with John D. Rockefeller's Standard Oil back in the 1930's. Freedom is not free. It is very difficult to keep intact if we just act like you and accept the way the corporate elite wants for it to be! Evil persists in "force" and not in power. Power is generally good for the people because it is much more exponential than force. Force is concentrated and attracts men and women of low morality as Einstein would say.

Re: 9/11 Truthers Are Not Holocaust Deniers

Sean Liebel — Sun, 16 Nov 2008 14:49:23 -0000

What is disgusting irony about the holocaust is that the Bush dynasty was created upon it with the Union Banking Corporation

Re: 9/11 Truthers Are Not Holocaust Deniers

riseuprochester — Sat, 15 Nov 2008 19:13:00 -0000

Using an obscure and undocumented site to attack the credibility of a site that is neither obscure nor undocumented doesn't help your argument very much

Goblin people? Right. You must have been watching one of those tightly-edited, out of context clips. Do you really think that Senators, Congressmen, Members of the Japanese Diet, Celebrities, CIA Chiefs and former members of the intelligence community would really go on a show like that?

Re: 9/11 Truthers Are Not Holocaust Deniers

riseuprochester — Mon, 10 Nov 2008 15:54:17 -0000

What ever happened to the naked lens? You were free to interpret what happened in that scene freely and you did. It was not tightly edited to make the McCain supporter look good or the Obama supporters look bad. It wasn't even constructed to make the police look bad. Their actions speak for themselves and you decided to interpret their actions differently than I did. I don't really see any dishonesty there. If you want to see a dishonest blog, head over to one of Michelle Malkin's blogs (so-called pajamas media) and look at their claims. They claimed the video of the puppy that a Marine threw off the cliff was faked. It was not. It was later admitted by the Marines to be real. She hasn't retracted her statements.

Also, search take a look at Mike Reagan's talk show:

http://riseuprochester.org/2008/06/21/so-whats-...

http://riseuprochester.org/2008/06/21/mike-reag...

Take a look at what he's gotten away with. It might open your eyes a bit.

Re: 9/11 Truthers Are Not Holocaust Deniers

riseuprochester — Sun, 09 Nov 2008 19:46:38 -0000

Hey Lynn, why don't you try to say that to someone's face. There's a girl in our ensemble that's from Lebanon. I bet she'd really love your expert analysis of the Middle East.

Re: 9/11 Truthers Are Not Holocaust Deniers

riseuprochester — Sun, 09 Nov 2008 17:06:02 -0000

Since when has being featured on the screwloosechange blog made anyone famous?

Re: 9/11 Truthers Are Not Holocaust Deniers

riseuprochester — Sun, 09 Nov 2008 17:03:22 -0000

Thank you for your careful comments. I am amazed at the civility you have extended to me while you could have attributed my article as an attack on your beliefs. I'd have to say, since I've written this article I've noticed how now that I've claimed that "9/11 Truthers Are Not Holocaust Deniers" I'm amazed at the reaction on the forums that like to link the two groups. I specifically called myself a "9/11 Truther" in the title (a negative term usually used by debunkers) for a specific reason: to selfishly improve my listing on search engines. Yet, after the article was posted I noticed that I began to be called a "9/11 Denier" - nothing could be further from the truth and I found the parallel to be interesting. Will history look at people like me as those who were "unable to see the obvious hate of the Islamofascists that hate our freedoms and wan to destroy civilization"? I couldn't help but wonder.

Re: 9/11 Truthers Are Not Holocaust Deniers

pauldenby73 — Sun, 09 Nov 2008 15:45:54 -0000

Here's some good articles on 911 denial / holocaust denial:

http://screwloosechange.blogspot.com/2008/11/no...
http://edmundstanding.blogspot.com/2008/11/cont...

Re: 9/11 Truthers Are Not Holocaust Deniers

Ryan_W — Sun, 09 Nov 2008 13:34:47 -0000

This is a problem I've had with your site from the beginning Andrew. It contains what I believe are a lot of unsubstantiated claims for a variety of issues. Now how can you be so offended if others make unsubstantiated comments about you and your opinions?

Objectively, your McCain supporter arrested thread was horribly dishonest. If you want to run a legitimate site, you should set the example by not posting unsubstantiated claims.

Re: 9/11 Truthers Are Not Holocaust Deniers

riseuprochester — Sun, 09 Nov 2008 09:55:14 -0000

Thanks Paul for that link, you're only about a day behind the other person.

Re: 9/11 Truthers Are Not Holocaust Deniers

MDJ — Sun, 09 Nov 2008 03:34:29 -0000

What's with all the kooaid drinkers?

It's an old COINTELPRO/ADL tactic to accuse those who ask critical questons as being anti-Semites. Even those who were critical of the PNAC/neocon agenda have been accused of being anti-Semites. It's all about shutting people up that come too close to the truth.

Even those who question the Holocaust (as all people should) are not Holocaust deniers. Nobody denies that Holocaust happened and that it was a horrible thing. But people should also question how the Holocaust has been politicized for an agenda. This has been written about by actual Jews like Norman Finkelstein, in his excellent book, titled 'The Holocaust Industry.'

Holocaust translates to a BURNT OFFERING.

The Holocast was funded by the West, as the West funded Hitler and the Nazis through Wall Street and London. I am sure many of us know about the role Bush's grandaddy Prescott played in funding the Nazis through Brown Brothers Harriman. Many of you know about IG Farben. It's important we actually understand the people behind the Holocaust and the suffering of so many good and innocent people. The Holocaust was used to create the global sympathy needed so people would accept a state of Israel in the Middle East to take over that region.

90% of today's Jewish have no ancestral ties to what is today called Israel. That is a fact. It is not anti-Semitic to say that.

Re: 9/11 Truthers Are Not Holocaust Deniers

Ryan — Sun, 09 Nov 2008 02:14:06 -0000

Andrew,

there are many of your articles that contain (in my opinion) unsubstantiated claims. Why are you so defensive if people post unsubstantiated claims about you? If you can't substantiate in an academic way the claims you're trying to make, how can you expect other people to do the same for you?

Re: 9/11 Truthers Are Not Holocaust Deniers

pauldenby73 — Sat, 08 Nov 2008 21:11:25 -0000

http://screwloosechange.blogspot.com/2008/11/no...

Re: 9/11 Truthers Are Not Holocaust Deniers

UR Alyve — Sat, 08 Nov 2008 18:05:28 -0000

Andrew, it is obvious that you are not questioning the Holocaust; if anything, you appear to be publicly pledging allegiance to it. This is your site, and your name is on it, making you a target for those, like Denby, who appear to believe that mere thoughts are punishable offenses. But for those of us not on public display who also desire to seek the truth about history -- it's all fair game, including 9/11, the OK city bombing, JFK, virtually all wars in the last century initiated with the help of false-flag attacks, the USS Liberty, the terrorism in Europe and the Middle East, and yes, the "Holocaust."

And I do get the purpose of your article -- you want to make sure that no one conflates one kind of heresy with another. Indeed, I'd be surprised if many truthers question the holocaust; it is such a widespread myth and the media is so controlled, that virtually no one even knows that there is another point of view. I didn't question the holocaust when I started out investigating 9/11, but after pulling back one rock after another and seeing so many slugs, it makes you start to question everything. And there is surprisingly not much evidence for the "official" viewpoint on _any_ of these events. If you want, I won't post here anymore. But if you saw the David Cole documentary, you would (privately at least) agree with me and join the rest of the truthers who have no "sacred cows."

Alyve

Re: 9/11 Truthers Are Not Holocaust Deniers

UR Alyve — Sat, 08 Nov 2008 08:33:20 -0000

I found the video!

Part 1:

http://video.google.com/videosearch?q=david+col...

Part 2:

http://video.google.com/videosearch?q=david+col...

Description:

WARNING: In some countries it could be considered a federal crime to be in possession of this movie, and certainly to question the holocaust aspect of WW2. Download at your own risk!

"Truth needs no laws to defend it. Throughout history, only lies and liars have resorted to the courts to enforce adherence to dogma. Nobody jails people who claim to Elvis is still alive. There is no law against denying Santa Claus exists. Nobody is prosecuted for claiming to see Bigfoot. People who think that Lee Harvey Oswald did NOT act alone are not sent to prison. What is it about the history of WW2 we have been taught that is so delicate that all questioning must be stamped out?"

-- http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/

Preface by David Cole:
"It is an undisputed fact of history that, during World War II, the Germans ran a network of prison and labor camps, both in Germany and in the territories they controlled. Into these camps were sent Jews, prisoners-of-war, resistance fighters, Gypsies, and other people considered enemies of the Third Reich.

The largest of these camps was the one called Auschwitz, located in Poland. Those interned at Auschwitz came from all over Europe and consisted of men, women, and children. Those able to work were used as labor for the German war effort. Auschwitz was liberated by the Soviet Army in January of 1945.

But that is where the consensus ends.

Since the end of World War II we have been told repeatedly that many of these camps served a darker purpose: the genocide of six million Jews and the execution of five million non-Jews through the use of homicidal gas chambers in what is now commonly known as the "Holocaust." The largest number of people are said to have been murdered at Auschwitz.

But there are some people who maintain these claims of mass murder have never been proven. These people point to the lack of documentation other than the highly questionable and partially discredited evidence supplied by the Soviet Union at the Nuremberg Trials and the unreliable nature of the eyewitness testimonies, many of which have also been discredited. (For example, many former camp inmates, as well as American soldiers, still speak of "gassing" at the Dachau camp in Germany, even though it is no longer held that any [homicidal] gas chamber was ever in use at that camp.)

Still, the Holocaust is an event that has seemingly grown in importance since the end of the war, taught as fact...usually accepted without question.

But how do we know it really happened? What "proofs" are offered for those not willing to take history on faith alone?

This video deals with, among other things, one of those proofs.

Re: 9/11 Truthers Are Not Holocaust Deniers

riseuprochester — Sat, 08 Nov 2008 01:37:44 -0000

So is #57 your full answer to the documentary I presented? These people starved and they were forced to work previously? I just want to be clear here. I don't understand why you would post this on my site when it clearly is not even the topic of discussion. We are NOT debating the Holocaust, is that clear?

Re: 9/11 Truthers Are Not Holocaust Deniers

UR Alyve — Fri, 07 Nov 2008 22:47:04 -0000

http://www.ihr.org/index.html

Institute for Historical Review

66 Questions and Answers on the Holocaust:
A Revisionist Perspective

1)
What proof exists that the Nazis killed six million Jews?

None. All we have is postwar testimony, mostly of individual "survivors." This testimony is contradictory, and very few claim to have actually witnessed any "gassing." There are no contemporaneous documents or hard evidence: no mounds of ashes, no crematories capable of disposing of millions of corpses, no "human soap," no lamp shades made of human skin, and no credible demographic statistics.

2)
What evidence exists that six million Jews were not killed by the Nazis?

Extensive forensic, demographic, analytical and comparative evidence demonstrates the impossibility of such a figure. The widely repeated "six million" figure is an irresponsible exaggeration.

3)
Did Simon Wiesenthal state in writing that "there were no extermination camps on German soil"?

Yes. The famous "Nazi hunter" wrote this in Stars and Stripes, Jan. 24, 1993. He also claimed that "gassings" of Jews took place only in Poland.

4)
If Dachau was in Germany, and even Wiesenthal says that it was not an extermination camp, why do many American veterans say it was an extermination camp?

After the Allies captured Dachau, many GIs and others were led through the camp and shown a room alleged to have been a "gas chamber." The mass media widely, but falsely, continues to assert that Dachau was a "gassing" camp.

5)
What about Auschwitz? Is there any proof that gas chambers were used to kill people there?

No. Auschwitz, captured by the Soviets, was modified after the war, and a room was reconstructed to look like a large "gas chamber." After America's leading expert on gas chamber construction and design, Fred Leuchter, examined this and other alleged Auschwitz gassing facilities, he stated that it was an "absurdity" to claim that they were, or could have been, used for mass executions.

6)
If Auschwitz wasn't a "death camp," what was its true purpose?

It was an internment center and part of a large-scale manufacturing complex. Synthetic fuel was produced there, and its inmates were used as a workforce.

7)
Who set up the first concentration camps?

During the Boer War (1899-1902), the British set up what they called "concentration camps" in South Africa to hold Afrikaner women and children. Approximately 30,000 died in these hell-holes, which were as terrible as German concentration camps of World War II.

8)
How did German concentration camps differ from American "relocation" camps in which Japanese-Americans were interned during WWII?

One significant difference was that whereas the Germans interned persons on the basis of being real or suspected security threats to the war effort, the Roosevelt administration interned persons on the basis of ethnicity alone.

9)
Why did the German government intern Jews in camps?

It considered Jews a threat to national security. (Jews were overwhelmingly represented in Communist subversion.) However, all suspected security risks -- not just Jews -- were in danger of internment.

10)
What hostile measure did world Jewry undertake against Germany as early as 1933?

In March 1933, international Jewish organizations declared an international boycott of German goods.

11)
Did the Jews "declare war" on Germany?

Yes. Newspapers around the world reported this. A front-page headline in the London Daily Express (March 24, 1933), for example, announced "Judea Declares War on Germany."

12)
Was this before or after the "death camp" stories began?

This was years before the "death camp" stories, which began in 1941-1942.

13)
What nation was first to practice mass civilian bombing?

Britain -- on May 11, 1940.

[Disputed item – here’s an entry from Wikipedia:The bombing of Guernica (April 26, 1937) was an aerial attack on the Basque town of Guernica, causing widespread destruction and civilian deaths during the Spanish Civil War. The raid by planes of the German Luftwaffe "Condor Legion" and the Italian Fascist Aviazione Legionaria was called Operation Rügen.]

14)
How many "gas chambers" to kill people were there at Auschwitz?

None.

15)
How many Jews were living in the areas that came under German control during the war?

Fewer than six million.

16)
If the Jews of Europe were not exterminated by the Nazis, what happened to them?

After the war millions of Jews were still alive in Europe. Hundreds of thousands (perhaps as many as one and a half million) had died of all causes during the war. Others had emigrated to Palestine, the United States, and other countries. Still more Jews left Europe after the war.

17)
How many Jews fled or were evacuated to deep within the Soviet Union?

More than two million fled or were evacuated by the Soviets in 1941-1942, and thus never came under German control.

18)
How many Jews emigrated from Europe prior to the war, thus putting them outside of German reach?

Perhaps a million (not including those absorbed by the USSR).

19)
If Auschwitz was not an extermination camp, why did the commandant, Rudolf Höss, confess that it was?

He was tortured by British military police, as one of his interrogators later admitted.

20)
Is there any evidence of American, British and Soviet policy to torture German prisoners to exact "confessions" for use at the trials at Nuremberg and elsewhere?

Yes. Torture was used to produce fraudulent "evidence" for the infamous Nuremberg trials, and in other postwar "war crimes" trials.

21)
How does the Holocaust story benefit Jews today?

It helps protect Jews as a group from criticism. As a kind of secular religion, it provides an emotional bond between Jews and their leaders. It is a powerful tool in Jewish money-raising campaigns, and is used to justify US aid to Israel.

22)
How does it benefit the State of Israel?

It justifies the billions of dollars in "reparations" Germany has paid to Israel and many individual "survivors." It is used by the Zionist/Israeli lobby to dictate a pro-Israel American foreign policy in the Middle East, and to force American taxpayer aid to Israel, totaling billions of dollars per year.

23)
How is it used by many Christian clergymen?

The Holocaust story is cited to justify the Old Testament notion of Jews as a holy and eternally persecuted "Chosen People."

24)
How did it benefit the Communists?

It diverted attention from Soviet war mongering and atrocities before, during and after the Second World War.

25)
How does it benefit Britain?

In much the same way it benefited the Soviet Union.

26)
Is there any evidence that Hitler ordered the extermination of Europe's Jews?

No.

27)
What kind of gas was used in German wartime concentration camps?

Hydrocyanic gas from "Zyklon B," a commercial pesticide that was widely used throughout Europe.

28)
For what purpose was "Zyklon B" manufactured?

It was a pesticide used to fumigate clothing and buildings to kill typhus-bearing lice and other pests.

29)
Was this product suitable for mass extermination?

No. If the Nazis had intended to use poison gas to exterminate people, far more efficient products were available. Zyklon is a slow-acting fumigation agent.

30)
How long does it take to ventilate an area after fumigation with Zyklon B?

Normally about 20 hours. The whole procedure is very complicated and dangerous. Gas masks must be used, and only trained personnel are employed.

31)
Auschwitz commandant Höss said that men would enter the "gas chambers" to remove bodies ten minutes after the victims had died. How do you explain this?

It can't be explained because had they done so they would have suffered the same fate as the "gassing" victims.

32)
Höss said in his "confession" that men would smoke cigarettes as they pulled bodies out of gas chambers, ten minutes after gassing. Isn't hydrocyanic gas explosive?

Yes. The Höss confession is obviously false.

33)
What was the exact procedure the Nazis allegedly used to exterminate Jews?

The stories range from dropping gas canisters into a crowded room from holes in the ceiling, to piping gas through shower heads, to "steam chambers," to "electrocution" machinery. Millions are alleged to have been killed in these ways.

34)
How could a mass extermination program have been kept secret from those who were scheduled to be killed?

It couldn't have been kept secret. The extermination stories originated as wartime atrocity propaganda.

35)
If Jews scheduled for execution knew the fate in store for them, why did they go along with the Germans without resisting?

They didn't fight back because they did not believe there was any intention to kill them.

36)
About how many Jews died in the concentration camps?

Competent estimates range from about 300,000 to 500,000.

37)
How did they die?

Mainly from recurring typhus epidemics that ravaged war-torn Europe during the war, as well as from starvation and lack of medical attention during the final months of the conflict, when virtually all road and rail transportation had been bombed out by the Allies.

38)
What is typhus?

This disease always appears when many people are jammed together under unsanitary conditions. It is carried by lice that infest hair and clothes. Ironically, if the Germans had used more Zyklon B, more Jews might have survived the camps.

39)
What is the difference if six million or 300,000 Jews died during the Second World War?

5,700,000.

40)
Some Jewish "death camp" survivors say they saw bodies being dumped into pits and burned. How much fuel would have been required for this?

A great deal more than the Germans had access to, as there was a substantial fuel shortage during the war.

41)
Can bodies be burned in pits?

No. It is impossible for human bodies to be totally consumed by flames in this manner because of lack of oxygen.

42)
Holocaust historians claim that the Nazis were able to cremate bodies in about ten minutes. How long does it take to incinerate one body, according to professional crematory operators?

About an hour and a half, although the larger bones still remain intact.

43)
Why did the German concentration camps have crematory ovens?

To dispose efficiently and sanitarily of the corpses of those who had died.

44)
Given a 100-percent duty cycle of all the crematories in all the camps in German-controlled territory, what is the maximum number of corpses it would have been possible to incinerate during the entire period such crematories were in operation?

About 430,600.

45) Can a crematory oven be operated 100 percent of the time?

No. Fifty percent of the time is a generous estimate (12 hours per day). Crematory ovens have to be cleaned thoroughly and regularly when in heavy operation.

46)
How much ash is left from a cremated corpse?

After the bone is all ground down, about a shoe box full.

47)
If six million people had been incinerated by the Nazis, what happened to the ashes?

That remains to be "explained." Six million bodies would have produced many tons of ashes, yet there is no evidence of any large ash depositories.

48)
Do Allied wartime aerial reconnaissance photos of Auschwitz (taken during the period when the "gas chambers" and crematoria were supposedly in full operation) show evidence of extermination?

No. In fact, these photographs do not reveal even a trace of the enormous amount of smoke that supposedly was constantly over the camp, nor do they show evidence of the "open pits" in which bodies were allegedly burned.

49)
What was the main provision of the German "Nuremberg Laws" of 1935?

They forbid marriage and sexual relations between Germans and Jews, similar to laws existing in Israel today.

50)
Were there any American precedents for the Nuremberg Laws?

Years before Hitler's Third Reich, most states in the USA had enacted laws prohibiting marriage between persons of different races.

51)
What did the International Red Cross report with regard to the "Holocaust" question?

An official report on the visit of an IRC delegation to Auschwitz in September 1944 pointed out that internees were permitted to receive packages, and that rumors of gas chambers could not be verified.

52)
What was the role of the Vatican during the time six million Jews were allegedly being exterminated?

If there had been an extermination program, the Vatican would most certainly have been in a position to know about it. But because there was none, the Vatican had no reason to speak out against it, and didn't.

53)
What evidence is there that Hitler knew of an on-going Jewish extermination program?

None.

54)
Did the Nazis and the Zionists collaborate?

As early as 1933, Hitler's government signed an agreement with the Zionists permitting Jews to emigrate from Germany to Palestine, taking large amounts of capital with them.

55)
How did Anne Frank die?

After surviving internment in Auschwitz, she succumbed to typhus in the Bergen-Belsen camp, just a few weeks before the end of the war.

56)
Is the Anne Frank Diary genuine?

Evidence compiled by Dr. Robert Faurisson of France establishes that the famous diary is a literary hoax.

57)
What about the familiar photographs and film footage taken in the liberated German camps showing piles of emaciated corpses? Are these faked?

Photographs can be faked, but it's far easier merely to add a misleading caption to a photo or commentary to a piece of footage. Piles of emaciated corpses do not mean that these people were "gassed" or deliberately starved to death. Actually, these were tragic victims of raging epidemics or of starvation due to a lack of food in the camps toward the end of the war.

58)
Who originated the term "genocide"?

Raphael Lemkin, a Polish Jew, in a book published in 1944.

59)
Are films such as "Schindler's List" or "The Winds of War" documentaries?

No. Such films are fictional dramatizations loosely based on history. Unfortunately, all too many people accept them as accurate historical representations.

60)
How many books have been published that refute aspects of the standard "Holocaust" story?

Dozens. More are in production.

61)
What happened when the Institute for Historical Review offered $50,000 to anyone who could prove that Jews were gassed at Auschwitz?

No proof was submitted as a claim on the reward, but the Institute was sued for $17 million by former Auschwitz inmate Mel Mermelstein, who claimed that the reward offer caused him to lose sleep and his business to suffer, and represented "injurious denial of established fact."

62)
What about the charge that those who question the Holocaust story are merely anti-Semitic or neo-Nazi?

This is a smear designed to draw attention away from facts and honest arguments. Scholars who refute Holocaust story claims are of all persuasions and ethnic-religious backgrounds (including Jewish). There is no correlation between "Holocaust" refutation and anti-Semitism or neo-Nazism. A number of Jewish scholars openly admit the lack of evidence for key Holocaust claims.

63)
What has happened to "revisionist" historians who have challenged the Holocaust story?

They have been subjected to smear campaigns, loss of academic positions, loss of pensions, destruction of their property and physical violence.

64)
Has the Institute for Historical Review suffered as a result of its efforts to uphold the right of freedom of speech and academic freedom?

The IHR had been bombed three times, and was completely destroyed on July 4, 1984, in a criminal arson attack. Numerous death threats by telephone have been received. Media coverage of the IHR has been overwhelmingly hostile.

65)
Why is there so little publicity for the revisionist view?

Because for political reasons the Establishment does not want any critical discussion about the facts surrounding the Holocaust story.

66)
Where can I get more information about the "other side" of the Holocaust story, as well as facts concerning other aspects of World War II historical revisionism?

The Institute for Historical Review, PO Box 2739, Newport Beach, CA 92659, carries a wide variety of books, cassette and video tapes on significant historical subjects. See also the Institute's Internet Web site at: http://www.ihr.org.

Revised 4/98

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Re: 9/11 Truthers Are Not Holocaust Deniers

UR Alyve — Fri, 07 Nov 2008 22:45:11 -0000

Do I believe the Holocaust was fake? Well, I believe the worst holocaust (death by fire and radiation) happened in Japan at the hands of the Americans. People were evaporated in mid-air, turned to shadows on the sidewalk. There was another holocaust in Dresden - firebombing civilians in their homes counts as a fiery death, too. This is terrorism - killing civilians. Many jews died in the labor camps, too, but more toward the end of the war, when, sadly, supply lines were cut off by bombing, and food rations did not make it to the camps. Typhus spread (via lice), and devastated already malnourished people. The corpses shown in pictures did not die of gassing. Why delouse someone whom you're planning to gas? Why provide swimming pools, theatres, bordellos, and why issue currency to those you're going to extinguish? Why tattoo their arms? Why shave their heads? These were work camps making munitions for the war.

All the death camps in Germany were revised officially has being work camps. So now (officially) all the death camps were supposedly in Poland - conveniently off limits to inspection until after the fall of the iron curtain. All the so-called evidence for the gassing comes from tortured confessions and biased eye-witnesses. Many of the eye-witness claims have since been proved false (e.g., human soap, lampshades). There are no ash-heaps, no gas chambers, only buildings for delousing. It would take properly built gas-chambers to kill people - the cyclon-B supposedly used is not fast-acting and would have (if deadly) killed the workers supposedly pulling corpses out of the ovens. And those corpses would had to be buried or, even if burned, their ashes disposed of. And where could the bodies be burned? In open pits? Not possible. Too much oxygen and bodies wouldn't burn piled on top of each other. And there were fuel shortages, so why would the Nazis use fuel needed for the factories to burn humans?

Google "David Cole interviews Dr. Franciszek Piper" - often the video has been pulled, but text or a torrent will still be available. There's no evidence of ashes or even any disturbance of the ground at Treblinka (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pCwpjsS-6H4). Auschwitz officially revised downward their death toll from 4 million to 1.5 million, still everyone talks about the 6 million.

The number of jews who died is estimated to be closer to 700 thousand -- still a horribly high number. Why did it have to be artificially inflated? To help the cause of Israel? Perhaps. Curiously, the number of Jews in all of what was eventually Hitler-controlled territory did not even add up to 4 million, let alone 6.

The fact that anyone (political prisoners of any persuasion, communists, gays, gypsies, poles, etc.) died is wrong. Hitler was wrong to take territory. He was a slimey bastard. But inflating numbers is bad history. Truth is the cornerstone of democracy and freedom.

So yes, there was a holocaust. But a specifically Jewish Holocaust? No. Even more german soldiers were starved in camps _after_ the war by General Eisenhower. That's a war crime right there. The Allied powers and the Soviets had lots of crimes to cover up; blaming the Germans helped create a smoke-screen. The victors write history, ne c'est pas? And the Germans were so anal - they kept records of everything - why wouldn't they have kept records of some master plan to rid the world of Jews? The Catholic Church was silent on the Holocaust because there was none - no organized plan to kill Jews.

I'm Alyve (for now).

p.s. I believe that PD is in love with AS. It is so obvious, PD hangs on every word, every post, every nuance of AS.
p.p.s. I don't know a lot about 9/11 truth - I'll have to look into it. Here is an interesting post that popped up today all around the internet ("How 9/11 was done"):
http://www.how911wasdone.blogspot.com/

Re: 9/11 Truthers Are Not Holocaust Deniers

pauldenby73 — Fri, 07 Nov 2008 18:30:05 -0000

http://screwloosechange.blogspot.com

Scroll down for a discussion of this blog.

I had forgotten about the Holocaust denial of Kevin Barrett, Sofia Shafquat, etc.