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Re: Fourth Plane Shot Down on 9/11

AliciaO — Sun, 14 Dec 2008 12:19:58 -0000

Also, you'll notice that I haven't commented on many of your claims stating things that I supposedly agree with. I don't really feel it necessary to tell you my specific and actual beliefs as I know that you will just project what you think I believe onto this site. The joke is really on you in the end, because you don't know who I am or what I believe. You've just taken two comments and the fact that I am here to create your own vision. I'd advise you not to do so.

Re: Fourth Plane Shot Down on 9/11

AliciaO — Sun, 14 Dec 2008 12:04:03 -0000

I'm not even going to address most of this, but I will say that you are calling me childish because you don't like the real definition of propaganda.

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Ethan — Sat, 13 Dec 2008 21:40:03 -0000

My words exactly Alicia

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AliciaO — Sat, 13 Dec 2008 21:37:08 -0000

Also, I've mentioned this before, but if you don't stop with the harassing comments about mental illness and murder I will personally make sure that you're comments do not appear on this site. It is purely uncalled for, but I realize that when people are uncomfortable with views different from their own they often have to resort to this tactic. As I mentioned before, I really don't want to engage in any conversation with you, because I think it just fuels your mission. Seriously though, I believe in free speech, but your comments are troubling and flat out creepy. I'm not interested in discussing 9/11 truth with you either. So, either politely state your differences and refute issues at hand, or be banned.

Re: Fourth Plane Shot Down on 9/11

AliciaO — Sat, 13 Dec 2008 21:29:54 -0000

In case you didn't know:

propaganda |ˌpräpəˈgandə|
noun
1 chiefly derogatory information, esp. of a biased or misleading nature, used to promote or publicize a particular political cause or point of view : he was charged with distributing enemy propaganda.
• the dissemination of such information as a political strategy : the party's leaders believed that a long period of education and propaganda would be necessary .
2 ( Propaganda) a committee of cardinals of the Roman Catholic Church responsible for foreign missions, founded in 1622 by Pope Gregory XV.
ORIGIN Italian, from modern Latin congregatio de propaganda fide ‘congregation for propagation of the faith’ ( see sense 2). Sense 1 dates from the early 20th cent.

In other words, it doesn't have to be put out by the government to be propaganda. Anyone making a film about a political event is entering into the conversation about that event and PROPOGATING a view about it. The dictionary happens to use examples that talk about large institutions like the Church and a political party, but as I said, others can put out propaganda too.

Clearly those who made this film knew that it would demonize Muslims and rally support for the War on Terror by using the emotions surrounding the United 93 incident.

Re: Fourth Plane Shot Down on 9/11

riseuprochester — Sat, 13 Dec 2008 14:29:31 -0000

Good for him. I'm sure not going to work for free my whole life. If people are willing to send him donations or buy his products, more power to him. Don't hate the player, hate the game.

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pauldenby73 — Sat, 13 Dec 2008 14:14:00 -0000

No, no, don't do that false dichotomy thing again, Andrew. I don't believe that all producers of alternative media films are out to get your money. I will say that Alex Jones is just out to get your money ... in fact, he seems to beg for it constantly on his radio show.

Re: Fourth Plane Shot Down on 9/11

riseuprochester — Sat, 13 Dec 2008 13:57:10 -0000

So let me get this straight:

United 93 - privately financed, produced by professionals and sold for a profit = not propaganda
Alternative media films - privately financed, produced by professionals and sold for a profit (as well as put on the internet for free) = people that are just out to get your money

Oh, ok....

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Jesse — Mon, 08 Sep 2008 03:03:26 -0000

I have actually never heard that theory before. That is interesting though...

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Tom Kovach — Thu, 24 Jul 2008 03:41:51 -0000

Thank you for tracking this story, and posting the info about the Guantanamo testimony.

Far more than the Rumsfeld "slip of the lip", the testimony -- especially given the tone of the question from the US military attorney -- vindicates everything that I've written and said on the radio for years.

Flight 93 WAS shot down.
http://www.renewamerica.us/columns/kovach/050914

Tom Kovach